Clyro Community Council
OCTOBER 2006 MINUTES
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF CLYRO COMMUNITY COUNCIL
held in the Village Hall on
TUESDAY 10th OCTOBER 2006 at 8.30pm
This meeting followed on from a meeting with Richard Hobbs from Highways
- to discuss safety issues on the A438.
78. a. PRESENT: Cllr. B. Morgan (Chairman) Cllr. Price (Vice Chairman) Cllr. Green
Cllr. Herdman Cllr. M. Morgan Cllr. Smith
Cllr. Wheeler Cllr. Williams
County Cllr. M. Morris P.C. Thomas
b. APOLOGIES: Cllr. Hood
c. MINUTES: The minutes of the September meeting were approved by Councillors and signed by the Chairman.
d. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST: Cllr. Herdman re planning application no. PR639901.
79. PLANNING MATTERS
- Cllr. Herdman left the meeting -
a. NEW: PR639901- Full: Erection of barn and lean-to store for hay/implements and change of use of land for siting of transportable log cabin for holiday let and installation of septic tank at Hom Mill Farm (formerly part of Lower Cwmgwannon)
The plans were passed round and discussed. The Council voted against this application. The Clerk to return to Planning the following comments: The building will be visually obtrusive. It is too big and on the skyline. The question was asked: is this a holiday site or a smallholding? - The positioning of a log cabin for holiday let next to a hay barn was thought unwise. It was suggested that the building could be sited elsewhere on the land where it would be less obtrusive.
- Cllr. Herdman was called back into the meeting -
b. County Cllr. Morris said that she had heard a lot of criticism of the new building on the old pottery site. Also that the application at Cwm Cynfelin had been withdrawn, perhaps with a new application to come.
80. MATTERS ARISING
a. HIGHWAYS MATTERS UPDATE -
i. SAFETY ON AND BY THE A438; THE BOLLARDS ETC.:
P.C. Thomas volunteered his comments on the problem and the Chairman invited him to contribute to the meeting. He made various observations and suggestions. Firstly that, from the policing point of view, a 30mph limit would be no more expensive to enforce than the existing 40mph. With slower traffic the islands would no longer be an issue. 20mph flashing school signs have been found to be well received by motorists. The camera van can be requested. He was not in favour of road narrowing markings, as this tends to encourage drivers into the middle of the road.
Following discussion, the Clerk to return the following requests to Richard Hobbs. The Council is asking for:
1. A 30mph speed limit through the village. (The Council realises though that this is not considered to be an option by Highways.)
2. Removal of the bollards by Buttercup Meadow and near the school. The ones at either end of the village and in the middle to be left as they are.
3. Installation of flashing 20mph signs to replace existing school signs.
4. Markings for the middle of the road.
5. A short stretch of railings along the A438 opposite the existing ones near the school.
6. Installation of warning 40mph signs (roundels?) outside the village.
7. Path: on the green in front of the garage – but not right up against the road.
ii. Letters from Richard Hobbs re hedges and the path to Hay were read to the meeting.
The Clerk to contact hedge-owners directly to ask them if they will cut their hedges, if they have not already done so, for the communal good. County Cllr. Morris said that the Council could employ someone to cut the hedges on the way to Hay; also that she considers that an upgrade of the path is needed.
81. REPORTS ON DOCUMENTS READ; MEETINGS ATTENDED; ACTIVITIES ETC.
a. DOCUMENTS READ
i. Assembly – Beecham Review of Local Service Delivery: “Beyond Boundaries”
The Chairman did not think this of local relevance.
ii. One Voice Wales: National Training Strategy for Community and Town Councils in Wales
The Clerk had read this and was asked to complete and return the questionnaire.
iii. PCC re Welsh Assembly Government- Active Lifestyles Community Council Capital Programme
Cllr. Herdman had shown this to Dorothy Dempster. They considered that this would only be successful if it were a large community project.
b. MEETINGS
i. Radnorshire Autumn Liaison meeting
No-one from the Community Council attended this meeting but County Cllr. Morris said she would report on it. [See 84. below]
82. SCHOOL GOVERNOR’S REPORT
Cllr. Williams reported on the problem of lack of space. A demountable building is wanted by the school, whose 9 staff are at present sharing a very small (11x8) room. A free portacabin has been offered but the school is having trouble with obtaining permission for it. Otherwise the school is “in rude health”. Roddy Lewis is chairman and Sally Herdman vice-chairman. There will be more use of the Welsh language in future.
83. POLICE REPORT
P.C. Thomas said that he could find no record of reported recent crimes in Clyro, but that in the last month 76 have been reported in Hay. 29 of these have been detected. 13 people have been picked up in connection with the mushroom season. None of these was local. Mushroom pickers are frequently in possession of other drugs and weapons too. There were 2 burglaries at old peoples’ homes. 2 local men have been arrested. 2 key people on the drugs scene may be removed shortly. Vehicles have been inspected at Bronydd, where defective HGV parts and documentation have been discovered. P.C. Thomas showed an example of the speed camera which is most easily obtainable by the police, but said that this was really for urban speed limits, and not easy to use in a 40mph zone.
84. REPORT FROM COUNTY COUNCILLOR MORRIS
County Cllr. Morris reported on the Autumn Liaison Meeting. Items included access to Powys services. A better automated phone system will be installed. County corporate objectives were discussed. These are to improve the quality of life. Health is a contentious issue. There was discussion about the advisability or otherwise of community council indemnity. There will be more training forthcoming because of the new planning protocols.
Re: diversion of footpaths [see Correspondence 85.c.below] County Cllr. Morris commented that the two extremities will have to be changed from stiles to be accessible to the elderly etc.
- County Cllr. Morris then left the meeting -
85. CORRESPONDENCE
a. Powys County Council – Gambling Act – draft statement of licensing policy – consultation.
Letter only received. As Councillors have been concerned about the fact that they are no longer consultees when licence applications are received by the County Council, the Clerk to request a printed copy of the statement, which was not included with the letter.
b. PCC – Re Wales Spatial Plan – Central Wales Key Settlement and Rural Areas Study
Taken by the Vice Chairman.
c. PCC – Proposed public path order at Clyro Court, Clyro
This proposal concerned the relocation of the existing path through the field to allow it to follow the line of the houses which are to be built here. The Clerk to reply saying that the Council has no objection to the relocation of the path but that the entrances will have to be changed.
d. PCC – Diversion of public footpaths CY1981 and CY1983 and extinguishments of public footpath CY1982, Clyro.
This confirmed the redirection of paths between Clyro and the river to the south west of the road to Hay. The Barn is no longer on a public footpath.
e. PCC – re funding for village halls
This gave details of funding given this year by Powys to all halls in Radnorshire. Sums given are dependent upon donations from the local community council. None is given to Clyro as the Community Council has not been asked by the Hall Committee to contribute.
f. Powys Community Safety Partnership – event on 16th November at Royal Welsh Showground
Taken by the Chairman.
g. Health Challenge Wales – issue 3
Copies were distributed to Councillors.
h. Welsh Assembly – Local Government Partnership Scheme - annual report
No action taken.
i. Talgarth Town Council re proposed reduction in services at Bronllys Hospital
Cllr. Williams will go to the meeting for local councils. There will also be a public meeting on Thursday 2nd November at 7.15pm in the Town Hall, Talgarth. There is also a petition in Clyro post office. The Clerk to write a letter of complaint to the local health board.
j. Customer@powys
Kept by the Clerk.
k. PAVO News
Kept by the Clerk.
86. FINANCIAL MATTERS
a. BANK BALANCES – Current account: £2,471.01 as at 5th October 2006
Reserve Account: £2,692.45 as at 5th October 2006
b. REMEMBRANCE DAY WREATH
A donation of £30 to the British Legion was proposed by Cllr. Hood in March and agreed by the Community Council. This donation is being made in accordance with the Council’s powers under Sections 137 and 139 of the Local Government Act 1972. The cheque to be drawn this evening.
c. CLERK’S SALARY
Payment of £86.95 was proposed by Cllr. Herdman and seconded by Cllr. Wheeler, and agreed by Councillors.
d. PAYMENTS
i. Cheques drawn: Clerk’s salary plus expenses: £86.95
ii. British Legion: £30.
87. OTHER BUSINESS
a. Next month: budget proposals.
b. The Chairman has checked the Council’s assets this month. No action needed.
c. The Clerk will in future email their minutes to Cllrs. Herdman, Smith, Green and Williams.
The Chairman then thanked all those who had come to the meeting and
THE MEETING WAS FORMALLY CLOSED AT 9.45pm. Minutes were taken by the Clerk.
CHAIRMAN: ………………………………………… DATE …………………………..
held in the Village Hall on
TUESDAY 10th OCTOBER 2006 at 8.30pm
This meeting followed on from a meeting with Richard Hobbs from Highways
- to discuss safety issues on the A438.
78. a. PRESENT: Cllr. B. Morgan (Chairman) Cllr. Price (Vice Chairman) Cllr. Green
Cllr. Herdman Cllr. M. Morgan Cllr. Smith
Cllr. Wheeler Cllr. Williams
County Cllr. M. Morris P.C. Thomas
b. APOLOGIES: Cllr. Hood
c. MINUTES: The minutes of the September meeting were approved by Councillors and signed by the Chairman.
d. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST: Cllr. Herdman re planning application no. PR639901.
79. PLANNING MATTERS
- Cllr. Herdman left the meeting -
a. NEW: PR639901- Full: Erection of barn and lean-to store for hay/implements and change of use of land for siting of transportable log cabin for holiday let and installation of septic tank at Hom Mill Farm (formerly part of Lower Cwmgwannon)
The plans were passed round and discussed. The Council voted against this application. The Clerk to return to Planning the following comments: The building will be visually obtrusive. It is too big and on the skyline. The question was asked: is this a holiday site or a smallholding? - The positioning of a log cabin for holiday let next to a hay barn was thought unwise. It was suggested that the building could be sited elsewhere on the land where it would be less obtrusive.
- Cllr. Herdman was called back into the meeting -
b. County Cllr. Morris said that she had heard a lot of criticism of the new building on the old pottery site. Also that the application at Cwm Cynfelin had been withdrawn, perhaps with a new application to come.
80. MATTERS ARISING
a. HIGHWAYS MATTERS UPDATE -
i. SAFETY ON AND BY THE A438; THE BOLLARDS ETC.:
P.C. Thomas volunteered his comments on the problem and the Chairman invited him to contribute to the meeting. He made various observations and suggestions. Firstly that, from the policing point of view, a 30mph limit would be no more expensive to enforce than the existing 40mph. With slower traffic the islands would no longer be an issue. 20mph flashing school signs have been found to be well received by motorists. The camera van can be requested. He was not in favour of road narrowing markings, as this tends to encourage drivers into the middle of the road.
Following discussion, the Clerk to return the following requests to Richard Hobbs. The Council is asking for:
1. A 30mph speed limit through the village. (The Council realises though that this is not considered to be an option by Highways.)
2. Removal of the bollards by Buttercup Meadow and near the school. The ones at either end of the village and in the middle to be left as they are.
3. Installation of flashing 20mph signs to replace existing school signs.
4. Markings for the middle of the road.
5. A short stretch of railings along the A438 opposite the existing ones near the school.
6. Installation of warning 40mph signs (roundels?) outside the village.
7. Path: on the green in front of the garage – but not right up against the road.
ii. Letters from Richard Hobbs re hedges and the path to Hay were read to the meeting.
The Clerk to contact hedge-owners directly to ask them if they will cut their hedges, if they have not already done so, for the communal good. County Cllr. Morris said that the Council could employ someone to cut the hedges on the way to Hay; also that she considers that an upgrade of the path is needed.
81. REPORTS ON DOCUMENTS READ; MEETINGS ATTENDED; ACTIVITIES ETC.
a. DOCUMENTS READ
i. Assembly – Beecham Review of Local Service Delivery: “Beyond Boundaries”
The Chairman did not think this of local relevance.
ii. One Voice Wales: National Training Strategy for Community and Town Councils in Wales
The Clerk had read this and was asked to complete and return the questionnaire.
iii. PCC re Welsh Assembly Government- Active Lifestyles Community Council Capital Programme
Cllr. Herdman had shown this to Dorothy Dempster. They considered that this would only be successful if it were a large community project.
b. MEETINGS
i. Radnorshire Autumn Liaison meeting
No-one from the Community Council attended this meeting but County Cllr. Morris said she would report on it. [See 84. below]
82. SCHOOL GOVERNOR’S REPORT
Cllr. Williams reported on the problem of lack of space. A demountable building is wanted by the school, whose 9 staff are at present sharing a very small (11x8) room. A free portacabin has been offered but the school is having trouble with obtaining permission for it. Otherwise the school is “in rude health”. Roddy Lewis is chairman and Sally Herdman vice-chairman. There will be more use of the Welsh language in future.
83. POLICE REPORT
P.C. Thomas said that he could find no record of reported recent crimes in Clyro, but that in the last month 76 have been reported in Hay. 29 of these have been detected. 13 people have been picked up in connection with the mushroom season. None of these was local. Mushroom pickers are frequently in possession of other drugs and weapons too. There were 2 burglaries at old peoples’ homes. 2 local men have been arrested. 2 key people on the drugs scene may be removed shortly. Vehicles have been inspected at Bronydd, where defective HGV parts and documentation have been discovered. P.C. Thomas showed an example of the speed camera which is most easily obtainable by the police, but said that this was really for urban speed limits, and not easy to use in a 40mph zone.
84. REPORT FROM COUNTY COUNCILLOR MORRIS
County Cllr. Morris reported on the Autumn Liaison Meeting. Items included access to Powys services. A better automated phone system will be installed. County corporate objectives were discussed. These are to improve the quality of life. Health is a contentious issue. There was discussion about the advisability or otherwise of community council indemnity. There will be more training forthcoming because of the new planning protocols.
Re: diversion of footpaths [see Correspondence 85.c.below] County Cllr. Morris commented that the two extremities will have to be changed from stiles to be accessible to the elderly etc.
- County Cllr. Morris then left the meeting -
85. CORRESPONDENCE
a. Powys County Council – Gambling Act – draft statement of licensing policy – consultation.
Letter only received. As Councillors have been concerned about the fact that they are no longer consultees when licence applications are received by the County Council, the Clerk to request a printed copy of the statement, which was not included with the letter.
b. PCC – Re Wales Spatial Plan – Central Wales Key Settlement and Rural Areas Study
Taken by the Vice Chairman.
c. PCC – Proposed public path order at Clyro Court, Clyro
This proposal concerned the relocation of the existing path through the field to allow it to follow the line of the houses which are to be built here. The Clerk to reply saying that the Council has no objection to the relocation of the path but that the entrances will have to be changed.
d. PCC – Diversion of public footpaths CY1981 and CY1983 and extinguishments of public footpath CY1982, Clyro.
This confirmed the redirection of paths between Clyro and the river to the south west of the road to Hay. The Barn is no longer on a public footpath.
e. PCC – re funding for village halls
This gave details of funding given this year by Powys to all halls in Radnorshire. Sums given are dependent upon donations from the local community council. None is given to Clyro as the Community Council has not been asked by the Hall Committee to contribute.
f. Powys Community Safety Partnership – event on 16th November at Royal Welsh Showground
Taken by the Chairman.
g. Health Challenge Wales – issue 3
Copies were distributed to Councillors.
h. Welsh Assembly – Local Government Partnership Scheme - annual report
No action taken.
i. Talgarth Town Council re proposed reduction in services at Bronllys Hospital
Cllr. Williams will go to the meeting for local councils. There will also be a public meeting on Thursday 2nd November at 7.15pm in the Town Hall, Talgarth. There is also a petition in Clyro post office. The Clerk to write a letter of complaint to the local health board.
j. Customer@powys
Kept by the Clerk.
k. PAVO News
Kept by the Clerk.
86. FINANCIAL MATTERS
a. BANK BALANCES – Current account: £2,471.01 as at 5th October 2006
Reserve Account: £2,692.45 as at 5th October 2006
b. REMEMBRANCE DAY WREATH
A donation of £30 to the British Legion was proposed by Cllr. Hood in March and agreed by the Community Council. This donation is being made in accordance with the Council’s powers under Sections 137 and 139 of the Local Government Act 1972. The cheque to be drawn this evening.
c. CLERK’S SALARY
Payment of £86.95 was proposed by Cllr. Herdman and seconded by Cllr. Wheeler, and agreed by Councillors.
d. PAYMENTS
i. Cheques drawn: Clerk’s salary plus expenses: £86.95
ii. British Legion: £30.
87. OTHER BUSINESS
a. Next month: budget proposals.
b. The Chairman has checked the Council’s assets this month. No action needed.
c. The Clerk will in future email their minutes to Cllrs. Herdman, Smith, Green and Williams.
The Chairman then thanked all those who had come to the meeting and
THE MEETING WAS FORMALLY CLOSED AT 9.45pm. Minutes were taken by the Clerk.
CHAIRMAN: ………………………………………… DATE …………………………..
